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  Theists - Please Explain This.......

  by AK - Jeff in

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  and please don't do so with the standard "i don't know the answer - but there surely must be one.

  " or some other lame attempt to defend god/bible without a real explanation.. here goes:.

  i find it incredibly interesting how hard the mind works to prevent rational thought when it suits it's purpose.

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  AK - Jeff

  Drew - I see no 'other posts' from you before the one that asked if I saw them.

  Jeff
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  Theists - Please Explain This.......

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  and please don't do so with the standard "i don't know the answer - but there surely must be one.

  " or some other lame attempt to defend god/bible without a real explanation.. here goes:.

  i find it incredibly interesting how hard the mind works to prevent rational thought when it suits it's purpose.

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  AK - Jeff

  Perhaps the use of the term "all" isn't necessarily an absolute.

  Consider Exodus 7:24

  And all the Egyptians dug along the Nile to get drinking water, because they could not drink the water of the river.

  Does that include Egyptian infants and people too sick to dig wells?

  Conceded. But does this presuppose then that god brought limited plagues to the land? What does that prove to those onlooking? Or to us today who read the accounts? Does it suggest a god of limited power then?

  Jeff
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  Theists - Please Explain This.......

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  and please don't do so with the standard "i don't know the answer - but there surely must be one.

  " or some other lame attempt to defend god/bible without a real explanation.. here goes:.

  i find it incredibly interesting how hard the mind works to prevent rational thought when it suits it's purpose.

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  Nope - the topic is broad though, and if one finds a way to wriggle out of it, he can then see that to wriggle out of the entire question is impossible to do.

  To start the argument on the standard discussion of 'Why does god permit and encourage evil' is too broad, or on the topic of biblical errancy. But it seems fair game to use those points salient to the general argument in fair debate, does it not? We can bring it back on topic easily enough - but since bilical literalist feel free to use the entire account or adjacent argumentation to support their viewpoint, would it not seem fair that rationalist could move off the fine point of the argument also?

  Jeff
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  Theists - Please Explain This.......

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  and please don't do so with the standard "i don't know the answer - but there surely must be one.

  " or some other lame attempt to defend god/bible without a real explanation.. here goes:.

  i find it incredibly interesting how hard the mind works to prevent rational thought when it suits it's purpose.

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  AK - Jeff

  And back to the secondary point of consideration here: Why kill so many innocent children/women/men/animals - when god's primary target for embarrassment was Pharoah alone? Even killing the firstborn of prisoners? How about the ants and crocodiles then? Or the mice and rats? Why target just the domesticated animals? How about the game animals too - this was important in the Pharoah culture - hunting.

  Jeff

  And many of these same questions could be propounded regarding god's other favorite slaughters of the OT. The flood/Sodom and Gommorah/the Hittites and the Ninevites. Why does god feel so compelled to show he can kill innocent people to prove he is powerful to rulers?
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  Theists - Please Explain This.......

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  and please don't do so with the standard "i don't know the answer - but there surely must be one.

  " or some other lame attempt to defend god/bible without a real explanation.. here goes:.

  i find it incredibly interesting how hard the mind works to prevent rational thought when it suits it's purpose.

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  Ok - but I must ask you WHY? First of all, when it comes to the supposed POWER of God, why would he just kill some of the cattle? Surely the Egyptians could then just demand that God had not acted at all - cattle die from scourges all the time - but this was SUPPOSED to be a demonstration of the God of Israel's power, wasn't it? Why show yourself to be only Semi-potent while calling yourself Omnipotent?

  Jeff

  Wouldn't it just make better sense to admit that this is just a folktale? A myth?

  Of course to do so admits that much of the biblical explanation of god, as well as the supposed prefigurement of the Christ to be foolish.
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  Theists - Please Explain This.......

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  and please don't do so with the standard "i don't know the answer - but there surely must be one.

  " or some other lame attempt to defend god/bible without a real explanation.. here goes:.

  i find it incredibly interesting how hard the mind works to prevent rational thought when it suits it's purpose.

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  Agreed Terry and Yan.

  Jeff
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  Theists - Please Explain This.......

  by AK - Jeff in

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  and please don't do so with the standard "i don't know the answer - but there surely must be one.

  " or some other lame attempt to defend god/bible without a real explanation.. here goes:.

  i find it incredibly interesting how hard the mind works to prevent rational thought when it suits it's purpose.

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  Ok. I see what you are saying - that not all the cattle died during the 5th plague. Is that not what God said would happen though? That ALL the cattle would die during the fifth plague?

  What sort of GOD is unable to kill all the livestock at once? Another theological dilemma has unfolded in an effort to repair this leak.

  Jeff
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  Theists - Please Explain This.......

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  and please don't do so with the standard "i don't know the answer - but there surely must be one.

  " or some other lame attempt to defend god/bible without a real explanation.. here goes:.

  i find it incredibly interesting how hard the mind works to prevent rational thought when it suits it's purpose.

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  Ok. But how did they die twice? They died during the fifth plague, and then again during the tenth plague? This is not a translation issue - the statements are separated by hundreds of words between.

  Jeff
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  Who created God

  by d in

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  i am atheist now.

  but when i was a jw.

  i used to wonder since everything was created by god.

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  Yes D - and millions of them over the centuries - all with human characteristics, most with diabolical minds and ruthless anger.

  Likely you refer mostly to the Judeo/Christian or the Islamic gods. The biggest mistake the bible/koran canonizers made was to include the OT god with the NT god, which are virtually incompatible. So either the Jews/Moslems and Jesus worshipped a monster and then misrepresented him - or they worshipped another god, and forgot to mention that all the references they made to the OT god were just exemplary not literal.
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  Theists - Please Explain This.......

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  and please don't do so with the standard "i don't know the answer - but there surely must be one.

  " or some other lame attempt to defend god/bible without a real explanation.. here goes:.

  i find it incredibly interesting how hard the mind works to prevent rational thought when it suits it's purpose.

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  AK - Jeff

  Good point - I may retitle it later depending on response. But it may serve a wider and more important purpose addressed to all believers, as they all suffer from delusions to one level or another regarding god.

  Jeff